Nora Gedgaudas is a widely recognized expert on what is popularly referred to as the “Paleo diet”. She is the author of the international best-selling book, Primal Body, Primal Mind: Beyond the Paleo Diet for Total Health and A Longer Life. She is also the author of the best selling ebook: Rethinking Fatigue: What Your Adrenals Are Really Telling You and What You Can Do About It.

Nora is an experienced nutritional consultant, speaker and educator, widely interviewed on national and international radio, popular podcasts, online summits, television and film.

  • Fat, the prehistoric human energy factor.
  • How sugar is actually harming us.
  • How carbohydrate dependance is setting us up to fail.

0:00take back your health now episode 31
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0:31today to have a wonderful guest Nora it
0:34god she’s a widely recognized expert
0:36always popularly referred to as the
0:38Paleo diet
0:40she’s the author of the international
0:41best-selling book primal body pro mind
0:44beyond the Paleo diet for total health
0:46and a longer life she’s also the author
0:48of the best-selling book rethinking
0:50fatigue what your adrenals are really
0:53telling you and what you can do about it
0:55nor is an experienced nutritional
0:57consultant speaker and educator widely
0:59interviewed on national international
1:00radio popular podcast online summits
1:03television and film noir welcome to the
1:06show again thanks for having me
1:09we’re really excited to be happy here so
1:11tell talk to us on or what is the primal
1:14yeah well you know it it’s basically
1:18based on on the idea that that you know
1:22we were confronted as an evolving
1:24species with a lot of selective
1:27pressures along the way you know couple
1:29million years ago that that would
1:33basically shaped our uh you know our
1:37dietary tendencies and those dietary
1:41tendencies in turn would have shaped our
1:43physiological makeup and and our
1:45fundamental nutritional requirements so
1:47yeah and those are changed i mean i
1:50guess with the the modern sort of
1:52society that we’re living in I assume
1:53were we’re not really living the same
1:55way that we used to not eating or not
1:57you’re not but genetically we are all
1:59still the same as we were at least 40
2:02200,000 you know years ago were
2:03fundamentally still regardless of our
2:06ideologies regardless of our of our
2:09ethnic heritage or anything else we are
2:11all at base fundamentally under gather
2:13of people and for a good very good
2:16portion of our evolutionary history
2:18we’ve been most mostly hunters and we’ll
2:21get world where I guess we’re hunting
2:23now we’re going to the supermarket and
2:24we can hunt for that ice cream or
2:27something like that but but not the same
2:29way as we used to be
2:30well right so the the marketing forces
2:33that be have taken advantage of a lot of
2:35the psychological factors i think that
2:37that constitute you know our makeup for
2:41instance we live we are psychologically
2:43in as feel kind of in a feast or famine
2:46mentality that our ancestors in any wild
2:48being would be you know we in other
2:51words ich while the eating’s good
2:52because tomorrow there may not be enough
2:55and yet you know today we have this
2:57unnatural access to this unnatural
2:59abundance of food and food like
3:01substances and you know where where we
3:06don’t have that you know that the kind
3:07of off switch that we need to have been
3:09particularly since the majority of the
3:12foods that are available to us in the
3:14particular in the center aisles of the
3:16grocery store our carbohydrate-based
3:18which is kind of a first for us to have
3:21a carbohydrate based diet throughout you
3:24know our entire evolutionary history
3:26until about about 10,000 years ago when
3:29we adopted this thing called agriculture
3:31and things started changing so that our
3:33health at that time now you know i’ve
3:36been i’ve been working out I’ve been
3:37listening to like a lot of the
3:39bodybuilders saying that you need a
3:40certain level of carbohydrates in your
3:42book you say actually and maybe i miss
3:44coordinates but you don’t actually need
3:45any sugar or any carbohydrates at all in
3:49your diet my saying that writer
3:50yeah I mean well so of the three major
3:53macronutrients proteins fats and
3:56carbohydrates right the the only one for
3:59which there is no established human
4:01dietary requirements I mean not in any
4:03medical textbooks that in textbook of
4:05physiology is carbohydrates wow no
4:07carbohydrates that supply us with
4:09glucose you know I’m sober I’m not well
4:11I mean it’s true of all carbohydrates
4:13but the carbohydrates that particularly
4:15supplies with the glucose sugary starchy
4:17foods you know our little more than what
4:19amount to metabolic kindling for us
4:22your brown rice your being here
4:24or whole-grain you know breads and sweet
4:27potatoes and things are kind of like
4:29like twigs on our metabolic fire and
4:32then your white rice white potatoes
4:33bread pasta you know that kind of a
4:36thing they’re right there are a lot more
4:37like crumpled up paper on our metabolic
4:39fire sweetened beverages and and you
4:42know beer and he felt its we out
4:44alcoholic beverages and things like that
4:46are pretty much like going lighter fluid
4:48on our metabolic fires and if all you
4:51have is kindling to run your sort of
4:53metabolic woodstove within on for
4:55Minnesota woodstove analogies work for
4:56me you know up you know you could do it
5:01in ninety-nine point about 5% probably
5:04of our population right now is doing it
5:06just that way but the problem is what
5:08are you actually doing you’re sitting in
5:10front of that metabolic would stop with
5:11the doors open and you’re constantly
5:13preoccupied with where that next handful
5:15of fuel is going to come from the key
5:17those fires going and and it’s AII think
5:21of it as a form of metabolic enslavement
5:23nature would not have been so stupid as
5:25to design this that way being forced to
5:27eat every two hours or whatever to keep
5:30the fires going
5:31you know this is this is a model that
5:33serves the interest certainly of the
5:36food industry of big agribusiness of you
5:38know the US Department of Agriculture’s
5:40food pyramid no conflict of interest
5:42there right but it is not how human
5:44beings were designed well what’s our
5:46alternative what if you’re about what if
5:48you are to take a nice big fat log and
5:51throw that on the fire instead write all
5:53of a sudden you’re kind of free you get
5:55to go off and do your thing and you can
5:57sleep through the night and yes there is
5:59an analogy to be made there and then you
6:00wake up in the morning and all of the
6:02fires burning down i’ll throw another
6:03log on the fire your basic you talking
6:06about actually freedom baby on food
6:08freedom based on operating from a
6:11fat-burning metabolism which is I
6:13believe that match I and there’s ample
6:15evidence to support that is operating
6:19from a fat based metabolism as opposed
6:22to sugar-based metabolism were told that
6:24we have to rely on glucose as a primary
6:26source of fuel and and it’s a very very
6:29misleading statement that you know it’s
6:32only true it’s only conditionally true
6:34it’s only true if we have metabolically
6:36adapt ourselves to a rather on
6:38natural dependence on glucose as a
6:40primary source if you feel I mean what
6:42you’re talking about is really a diet
6:44that probably most Americans are
6:46actually looking i just i saw a staff
6:49II sort of doritos sandwich it was
6:52literally the readership is where and I
6:55was like what like there’s no hope for
6:57the future and all the fact that can’t
7:00be good for you you know
7:02ya know and you know the thing is is
7:04that it’s not just about you know carbs
7:07obviously the food industry has figured
7:08out how to tap into psychologist captain
7:10tap into the brain into our biochemistry
7:13to trigger centers in the brain
7:14addictive centers in the brain mean
7:17sugars for instance triggers opiate
7:19centers in the brain these pleasure
7:20centers and some people can kind of take
7:23or leave sugar but just like some people
7:25can take early heroin but for others
7:27it’s like the kids of God you know right
7:30and uh and they don’t know how to stop
7:32they they just simply you know create
7:35this stuff like mad to the other
7:36interesting thing is that the the foods
7:38of agriculture and the grains and dairy
7:41products they contain opiate like
7:43substances grains contain in a gluteal
7:46Morrison protein or seng there’s k some
7:49orphan in in dairy products and these
7:51also trigger powerful opiate centers in
7:54the brain that some people just don’t
7:56know how to to manage in any way other
7:59than simply becoming addicted to these
8:02foods and I think in some ways that is
8:04why we adopted agricultural such a
8:06full-scale as we did I believe we became
8:09addicted to these substances we were you
8:12know at the end of the last night we
8:14forget that for from about 2.6 million
8:17years ago at the beginning of what we
8:18call the quaternary ice age to about
8:2110,000 years ago at the end of the last
8:23period of glacial advance that occurred
8:26rather abruptly i might add
8:28we’re still in the quaternary ice age by
8:30the way but where you know where we’re
8:32not in that period of glacial advanced
8:33um we coexisted with these enormous
8:37Pleistocene megafauna you know some of
8:40these excess of 10,000 kilograms and and
8:43you know if we extrapolate say we know
8:45one of the probably the most popular
8:47member of that of that genre which is
8:49the Willie mammoth in
8:51from from from the body composition of
8:53elephants for instance right that they
8:55they had over fifty percent body fat and
8:57you know where and where not even
8:59counting on roughly four inches or more
9:01of subcutaneous fat underneath their
9:03eyes that and in addition to you know
9:06the brain and the bone marrow and and
9:08the tongue and all of these you know
9:10fati organs that we would have we
9:13absolutely would have consumed all the
9:15everything and we would have consumed
9:17all of that and it was our taste for fat
9:20and the fat of these animals the are
9:22preferential hunting for these animals
9:24throughout our entire history
9:26alright that that is really responsible
9:28for the development and the in the
9:31unprecedented Lee rapid in civilization
9:34of the human brain are most unique
9:36characteristic so I mean I’m basically
9:38here to say you know i have a new book
9:40called primal fat burner basically and
9:44it sounds like a weight-loss book but
9:47actually it’s it’s it’s really a double
9:49entendre you know it you know it’s a i’m
9:52happy to say that you know the weight
9:54loss part will probably be a favorite
9:55side effect that people experience when
9:57they adopted or feeding you know they
9:58need to lose weight that is but but the
10:00true definition of being a primal fat
10:02burner is successfully adopting a
10:04fat-burning metabolism in other words
10:05relying on free fatty acids and
10:07something called ketones for fuel
10:09instead of sugar burning metabolism
10:10that’s wholly reliant on glucose which
10:13is of course the unfortunate and rather
10:14a natural Norman our society so the log
10:18burning is basically what you’re talking
10:20about with writing the fact and the the
10:24very quick light like a match being lit
10:26is really the glucose oh right now as a
10:29society where or addicted to this kind
10:31of a glucose fast-food rush kind of
10:34thing and you think we’ve got to get
10:36back to that that primal kind of writing
10:39patties and its really nothing so here’s
10:41the thing to understand that that’s at
10:43to our ancient human physiological
10:44makeup literally means survival right
10:47and survival Trump’s literally
10:48everything else and and there’s a
10:50hormone called leptin that’s been much
10:53more recently discovered it was actually
10:55discovered being secreted from are very
10:57fat cells are your body’s animal tissue
10:59your fat tissues actually a
11:01sophisticated endocrine organ
11:03and it’s literally our most important
11:05hormone it orchestrates the activity of
11:08all other hormones in the body and left
11:10him is fundamentally effect sensor and I
11:13talked about this a lot more in both my
11:15books primal body prime aligned and
11:17primal fat burner which was just
11:19released by simon & schuster in January
11:2124th but once again I is ice age beings
11:25we were basically designed to whether or
11:27not just the cold but extremes of
11:29climate in other words while North
11:32America extreme North America and stream
11:35southern South America was was you know
11:38basically covered in thousands of feet
11:40of ice and snow and all of that africa
11:43was being ripped apart by drought and
11:44wildfires so I mean we were designed to
11:48you know deal with extreme cold extreme
11:50heat droughts wildfires floods huge
11:52storms and the effects of widespread
11:54volcanic activity occurring during these
11:56time periods and his pattern sometimes
11:58lasting thousands of years we became
12:00human in essence by surviving disaster
12:03well there would have been time periods
12:04in places to wear plant life
12:06particularly edible plant life would
12:08have been pretty scarce and practical as
12:10a meaningful source of calories its
12:12nutrient density that would have been
12:14absolutely paramount and highly coveted
12:16importance and there’s nothing more
12:18nutrient calorie-dense then then made us
12:20and especially fat i’m not saying that
12:23we all need to be eating slabs and slabs
12:25of meat and seafood swimming in fact but
12:28your body is constantly looking lesson
12:31is looking for that signal that says
12:33hunting is good and hunting in one of
12:36that is sufficient
12:38well when fat is insufficient your begun
12:40body becomes much better at synthesizing
12:43it from other things namely
12:44carbohydrates in your diet and and
12:46causing your body to become stingy about
12:48letting it go when there’s enough that I
12:51there’s so much should be city in the
12:52way in the world to its it’s one of many
12:55reasons why and it is sort of
12:57interesting because it was a reason
12:59expose in the New York Times that that
13:02basically of that the that
13:11to that show that it was in fact the
13:14sugar industry in a rather an industry
13:16group called the sugar Association
13:17quote-unquote that secretly funded the
13:20so-called science designed to adjust we
13:23blame dietary fat for the growing crisis
13:25of ill health and obesity was apparently
13:27been going on since the early sixties so
13:30I and I have some point I have a quote
13:32here according to a CBS news report on
13:34the Discovery they said that and I quote
13:37one studies began emerging linking sugar
13:40with heart disease according to
13:41documents that were dug up from public
13:43archives the following year the sugar
13:45industry approved what they called
13:47Project 226 which entailed paying
13:49Harvard researchers today’s equivalent
13:51forty-eight thousand nine hundred
13:53dollars for an article reviewing the
13:55scientific literature supplying
13:57materials they wanted reviewed and read
13:59receiving draft of the article the
14:01resulting article published in 1967
14:03concluded that there was quote no doubt
14:05that reducing cholesterol and saturated
14:07that was the only dietary intervention
14:09needed to prevent heart disease and the
14:12researchers overstated the consistency
14:14of the literature on fat and cholesterol
14:15while downplaying studies on sugar
14:18according to the analysis the sugar
14:20industries funding and roll were not
14:22disclosed when the article was published
14:23by the New England Journal of Medicine
14:24such disclosures were not required at
14:27the time for decades afterwards
14:29scientists and health officials focused
14:30almost entirely upon reducing fat and
14:33not sugar to prevent heart disease and a
14:35guy by the name of Stanton Glantz and
14:38professor of medicine at the University
14:40of California in San Francisco he was
14:41quoted in the New York Times expose is
14:43saying they were able to derail the
14:45discussion about sugar for decades so
14:50no no that’s like unbelievable Byron’s
14:52believable because look at the cigarette
14:54industry right from yeah that doctors
14:56coming out and saying how God smoke
14:58these because these are the best and all
15:00that kind of thing so you know nothing’s
15:01shocking any more on what’s shocking is
15:03that it’s still going on
15:05it’s shocking that nobody like you with
15:08this voice is not you know all over the
15:10the news and you know it’s still it’s
15:13still almost like these podcasts have to
15:15bring this information out when
15:17mainstream media just I’ve never seen
15:19this or heard this on any of these
15:21mainstream stations and no longer
15:24no you’re not going to any and all
15:25mainstream media’s is owned by about
15:27five different in a corporate entities
15:29many of which have big stakes in arm you
15:34know in this paradigm I can’t think of a
15:36single multinational interest for egg
15:38for instance that wouldn’t be heavily
15:40invested in every man woman and child on
15:42planet earth being dependent on the
15:44carbohydrate based diet because it’s
15:46easy to produce it’s cheap and held her
15:48shoes excuse the wrench and they’re
15:49consistently leaving more and more of it
15:51well right and and you know it’s it’s
15:54immensely profitable you can’t make a
15:565000 percent profit on a grass fed steak
15:58like you can’t box of cereal
16:00yeah I’m not only that but that type of
16:02diet is basically keeps whoever consumes
16:04it perpetually hungry
16:06very nice for Monsanto know in the video
16:09I’m not so great for the rest of us are
16:12you know I just I wonder you know I was
16:14walking around the other day and I was
16:15looking at people and you know I I’m 54
16:18years old so I have 54 years of looking
16:19at people to judge by what i thought
16:22what would people look like if I could
16:24go back a hundred years and see them
16:26walking around like in my 54 years I’ve
16:28seen people just seem to look sadder
16:30than I remember them when i was in my
16:32teen years or you know they see more
16:35diagnosed on my team having any better
16:37you know I 30 is h 30 is the new 45 your
16:41pocket on setting up disease today and
16:46you know this is it that you know it’s
16:49really a it’s a it’s a cataclysmic
16:52finding I mean this there was that
16:54there’s literally a study showing that
16:55age 32 become the new 45 with respect on
16:58setting disease it’s all new and not
17:00because we suddenly began consuming more
17:02animal-based foods and fats we’ve been
17:04told for decades now to avoid animal for
17:07food and fats and focus on a diet based
17:08in carbohydrates all for the very first
17:11time in human history and what are these
17:13dietary guidelines done for us
17:15well there was a study published in may
17:17have 2015 that took a very close look at
17:19the actual impact of dietary guidelines
17:22on the health of US citizens between the
17:24years of 1965 and 2011 and shockingly
17:27you know the rates of obesity and
17:29numerous metabolic diseases during that
17:31time had increased dramatically but the
17:33waterline about why this was happening
17:35was basically that we are all
17:37sudirman lazy to follow the rules right
17:40you know we just listening to that you
17:41know to the government that in our
17:43guidelines and decrees by medical
17:45authorities whatever we would all be
17:46doing so much better but that’s not what
17:48the study shows even more shockingly for
17:51some not for me so much but it clearly
17:54showed that Americans had been following
17:56the rules and diligently following
17:58government guidelines all along you are
18:00collected and undeniable detriment our
18:02intake of carbohydrates dramatically and
18:05beautifully increased during this time
18:07period while our intake of dietary
18:08animal fat substantially decreased which
18:11of course we’re also replaced in part
18:13naturally by the so-called heart-healthy
18:15in a soybean canola and other trash
18:18vegetable oils and you know they all
18:20right well I like a little story behind
18:22that right there is all there is where
18:24they were they were complicit in this
18:26whole thing too and it was like an
18:27unholy alliance between the sugar
18:29industry and the vegetable oil industry
18:31I mean you know back in that in the
18:32nineteen fifties and sixties you know
18:35margarine companies are advertising in
18:37the american journal of of you know a
18:39medicine so are a journal of american
18:42medical association remembers a kid’s
18:44been getting moved from the commercials
18:46thinking margins the best thing for you
18:47and buttery apple for you know they say
18:49I can’t believe it’s not butter I sure
18:51here but I’m not that I really eat
18:54butter but anyway it’s no wonder why is
18:57it or just just going to talk about so a
18:59little bit look at what what about GMO
19:01genetically modified foods what would
19:03lose our most hit with Dino soy is
19:06probably boy and corner are you know
19:09almost almost entirely you know
19:11genetically modified uh and you know a
19:14lot of crops are becoming genetically
19:16month they’re starting actually now to
19:18genetically modify salmon and you know I
19:20I you know Monsanto has as their stated
19:23goal the complete control of the world’s
19:26food supply and so what why would they
19:28do that why what is it what’s going on
19:30why would anybody who follow the money
19:32it’s it’s complete control its power and
19:36its it’s the unlimited wealth when you
19:39control and you have a they’re basically
19:41they were granted back in you know the
19:44the pop-up Bush administration now
19:47they’re basically granted the right
19:50a to control and patent life
19:53ok so all of the seeds of the world that
19:56are you know that are grown for food and
19:59whatever else they immediately snapped
20:01up and in-plane patents on you know in
20:04and squirrel those away so that they can
20:06kind of control what happens with those
20:08things but but you know when you
20:10genetically you know you’re genetically
20:12modifying a ke dushman or display for
20:16the order what does that mean
20:17genetically modified what does that
20:18actually mean when you take a soybean or
20:20or corn and you genetically modify what
20:23are you doing to it they’re they’re
20:25injecting um they’re basically splicing
20:28genes together that were never meant to
20:29be spliced together the genes of animals
20:32and and plants and and all kinds of
20:35things even insect in order to create
20:38basically a new form of life and in
20:41theory to select for certain
20:42characteristics that make the plant may
20:45be easier to harvest are easier to grow
20:47in certain conditions and that kind of
20:49thing but you’re not talking about the
20:51old methods of like taking a branch of
20:53want to put all this so that it goes
20:55that would actually walking out which
20:57isn’t late are you totally things like
20:59hybrid has a number hybridization has
21:02its issues particularly with respect to
21:04two grains because whenever we hybridize
21:07a plant and this is a very different
21:09thing by the way but when we hybridize
21:11them we’re basically creating roughly
21:14five percent new proteins every time we
21:15do that in the human immune system has
21:18to catch up to that but the problem is
21:20we’re not becoming more adapted to for
21:23instance suppose these post agricultural
21:25foods as time goes on we’re becoming
21:26less adapted as time goes on and you
21:29know for instance the the incidence of
21:30full-blown celiac disease is increased
21:33over four hundred percent in the last 50
21:35Aloha not supporting the 22 verifiable
21:38research and not because we suddenly
21:40developed new testing or became more
21:41conscious of it
21:43hey this is based on a study where they
21:44took 10,000 blood samples from 50 years
21:46ago compared to 10,000 blood samples for
21:48today and that’s it and using the exact
21:51same testing methods and found that
21:53there has in those blood samples from 50
21:55years ago were from in a well-preserved
21:57military you know of you know as samples
22:01yes so it’s not going back to my
22:03question of the week
22:04what would if i would put in a time
22:06machine and went back a hundred and
22:08fifty years and i’m walking down the
22:10what would people look like compared to
22:13today which looks quite a bit different
22:15I mean it that far that long ago people
22:18were still using more animal fat to cook
22:20with you know um and that kind of thing
22:23we weren’t a weren’t refined includes we
22:26weren’t fat phobic uh and there weren’t
22:30as many processed foods around so things
22:33would have been better than then they
22:35are today certainly uh but you know the
22:39thing to understand is that really this
22:40the slippery slope started the day we we
22:43adopted agriculture is a primary source
22:46of food and as are being a primary
22:48basically based basis for for
22:51nourishment and it’s sort of interesting
22:53to point out that in the last 10,000
22:55years since we did that since we went
22:57from a diet that was basically ninety
22:59percent based in in meeting and
23:01especially the fat of animals in terms
23:03of our caloric intake to maybe you know
23:06ten fifteen percent or whatever now
23:08today um it by comparison
23:10we’ve actually lost over ten percent of
23:12our brain volume in the process wow you
23:15know so evolution may not be heading in
23:17the direction we’d hoped might not be
23:19going in the right direction
23:20well because evidence of course by you
23:23know reality TV and whatever haha and
23:26then our political climate it’s you know
23:28it we’re not getting we’re not getting
23:30smarter folks you know my dad told me
23:32remember as a kid he says that people
23:34are going to involve have just one big
23:36finger to push buttons on the TV was 15
23:39minutes pretty girls bring all you need
23:41are you know maybe two synapses holding
23:42hands in order to do that we provide
23:44direction things are going well what if
23:47it’s a little scary you know I mean for
23:49somebody listening to this I mean I’m
23:51sure we can go on and on about some of
23:53the things i do one thing that does
23:55strike me out just how do you want to
23:57touch on one more thing just to scare
23:58the heck out of everybody little bit but
24:00you talk about in your book vaccine
24:02being added to a process or product can
24:06you talk about what hexane is and you
24:07also said that it it’s in baby food and
24:10it’s in a solvent you know and if used
24:13to extract a certain nutrients from food
24:15and things like that in an end
24:17as a residue of the toxic solvents you
24:20know if it’s it’s no it’s not it’s not
24:23nourishment folks uh and so a lot of
24:26seed oils and things like that are
24:28extracted in that in that manner
24:31uh and and the residues end up in foods
24:34and you know of course what are we doing
24:36with with baby foods among so many other
24:38things you know we’re starting those
24:41babies out with what I i gotta tell you
24:43first that that we’re literally born to
24:47function in a safe he tells us babies
24:48are born in a functional state of
24:50ketosis they don’t start craving carbs
24:52until we start feeding it to them really
24:54right and so look we have a brain that’s
24:58maybe 25 percent of our total body
25:01weight right maybe a little less if you
25:02happen to be a politician or something
25:03crops particularly with but that’s
25:06trained takes up twenty to twenty-five
25:08percent of all your energy demands that
25:10makes our brains really metabolically
25:11expensive but get this baby’s take
25:14eighty eighty-five percent their brains
25:16take eighty-five percent of their
25:18metabolic demands young children
25:20forty-five fifty percent so in contrast
25:23this would say are our closest primate
25:25relatives you know their brains may be
25:28occupied maybe eight percent of their
25:30metabolic requirements so everything
25:32going to remain silent
25:34I look at some of the formulas that are
25:36actually read the and it was 90% maybe
25:39I’m misquoting but i remember reading
25:41somewhere is almost ninety percent
25:43carbohydrates or sugars is that little
25:46yes and so this is you know let’s get
25:49conspiracy theorists for a moment here
25:51you know you look what the food
25:53companies are actually doing are
25:54cultivating this in in babies they’re
25:57they’re saying feet and mashed bananas
25:59or whatever you know they’re a Malay
26:00scenes aren’t even really online yet you
26:02know and but they’re feeding a mashed
26:04bananas and all these kinds of things
26:06and mashed banana I got you know a lot
26:08of people think that’s healthy for you
26:11it’s a lot of work but the fruit of
26:13today the fruit that you see in the the
26:15cultivated for you seen the grocery
26:16stores is so different
26:18the most part from the kind of stuff
26:20that would have been available to our
26:22primitive hunter-gatherer ancestors and
26:24think about a wild fruit it tends to be
26:26smaller less sweet more
26:28well it doesn’t seem to be less sweet
26:30sometimes it
26:31be very sweet but it’s much more fibrous
26:32oftentimes tart and in seasonally
26:36available you know not 24-7 you know
26:39stranded 65 days a year and today fruit
26:44is not cultivated for its nutritional
26:46content is cultivated for its size and
26:48its sweetness and by the way fructose
26:51which is the primary in a sugar found in
26:53fruit is actually a sugar that be that
26:56is designed that that when we consume it
26:59now this would have been a confirmed an
27:01evolutionary advantage to people living
27:03in a harsh and unpredictable environment
27:04especially in the late summer when fruit
27:07ripens right we have this case for this
27:09stuff because it’s with switching us
27:11called fruit the kinase it’s an enzyme
27:14that triggers your brain to start it’s a
27:16signal to your brain that says start
27:18storing fat and starts throwing it now
27:20that allows us to cloud our ancestors to
27:23go into a mild state of insulin
27:24resistance prior to winter so they could
27:26put on insulation and padding and have a
27:28little extra you know energy supply
27:31storage great many times right right you
27:34know obviously today I don’t care if
27:36you’re living in minnesota in February
27:37when it’s 40 below outside wintering
27:39coming for us anymore you know we’re
27:41living in the 72 degree in a comfortable
27:44environment sitting on the couch
27:45watching Netflix I learned ordering
27:48pizzas you know and and yet we’re still
27:51we still have a taste for these foods
27:53that with the same switching us and you
27:55know it’s it’s another reason why
27:57obesity is such a rampant rampant
27:59problem nor let me tell you know we
28:02actually end as we wind down here a
28:04little bit i always ask the question
28:05what is the holy grail of help so i’m
28:07going to close that to you like if i
28:09were to say to ignore what would you
28:11consider for our audience the the holy
28:13grail of health and how could they
28:14achieve it
28:15I a diet basically based in a diet based
28:20in what is absolutely most
28:22evolutionarily natural and genetically
28:25compatible with us and that is a diet
28:27basically that that minimizes sugar and
28:31starch it’s not required and and it
28:33triggers insulin and it does all kinds
28:35of bad things and it causes us to age
28:37prematurely and everything else so it’s
28:38a no brainer leave it out right to the
28:40extent possible sure you can eat as many
28:42fibrous vegetables and greens as he
28:44wants to
28:44that has a very low glycemic impact and
28:46I think those who are actually more
28:48important to us now than they used to be
28:49for a variety of reasons you know to
28:51help detoxify toe nutrients antioxidants
28:53give an example of a couple of spinach
28:56letters mentor yeah spinach lettuce
28:58broccoli asparagus uh you know Brussels
29:01sprouts and you know cabbages of rasika
29:03vegetables and things like that a whole
29:05variety of green things that that don’t
29:08turn to sugar when we consume them like
29:10potatoes and andrew other you know root
29:12vegetables raw carrots are kind of okay
29:15in this you know in certain amount
29:16although I wouldn’t be juicing them
29:17butBut I you know we but when you cook
29:21them they become it becomes the sugar
29:23bomb right
29:24wow I’m gonna raise your blood sugar
29:25faster with a baked potato than you can
29:27with a candy bar
29:28wow we need to minimize that then you
29:31moderate your protein intake it must
29:33sound to a lot of people listening to
29:35this like I’m talking about eating a lot
29:36of meat I’m not we don’t need more than
29:38six or seven ounces a day and part of
29:40what I do in in evaluating all of this
29:43is i also look at human longevity
29:44research to figure out how we can
29:46combine these fundamental principles
29:48which I think are an essential starting
29:49place with what actually with science
29:51actually tells us is going to help us
29:53live longer and healthier and anything
29:56that minimizes insulin number one is
29:58going to you’re going to live longer and
30:00healthier by far but also we need to
30:03keep protein to just what we need we
30:05need complete protein from animal
30:07sources foods that triggers a in that we
30:10don’t have time to talk about why but we
30:11do and I talked about in my books plenty
30:14but let me we don’t need we don’t need
30:17more than just to meet those
30:18requirements if we exceed those
30:19requirements we have the you know you
30:21can also trigger aging make yourself
30:23more susceptible to cancer it’s not good
30:25to moderate your protein intake and let
30:27that make up the rest of the calories
30:29from and quality food quality have to be
30:32the foundational basis of your food
30:34choices get your meat only from animals
30:37said exclusively upon grass grass upon
30:40what was natural for them to forage upon
30:43in the wild for instance and your you
30:46can get you’re going to get fat and all
30:48these fat soluble nutrients it’s not
30:50just about macro injuries about all
30:51these other nutrients in a balanced form
30:54that you think it takes the guesswork
30:55out of it and so
30:57is that that’s been about immigration
30:58formalities eat you know so
31:02seafood is sort of the darling of the
31:03health industry and and you know 10 15
31:06years ago i would have been yeah that’s
31:08that step and it’s awesome
31:10it can be awesome i offer a couple of
31:12sources for seafood that I think are
31:14great in my book but there aren’t that
31:16many of our oceans are dangerously
31:18contaminated in ways that are not being
31:20talked about in the media and shall i
31:24call you can almost smell like Fukushima
31:25still the reaction we’re going to know
31:28the the reactors that that melted down
31:32three to three reactors just melted down
31:35there still melting about that goes on
31:37they’re dumping 2,000 tons of highly
31:39radioactive waste into the Pacific
31:41everything has been since 2011 these
31:43radioactive plume have now reached the
31:44west coast there there is ample evidence
31:47and I you know and I’ve uncovered that
31:49that that this is reached now the
31:51seafood supply and we don’t know what is
31:54contaminated what isn’t because the FDA
31:56and the government have refused to test
32:00and by the way that the reactors that
32:02melted down were designed by General
32:04Electric General Electric owns NBC you
32:06know I mean you know and wanting all the
32:09reactors in this country pretty much the
32:11well right and there you got one of the
32:13Bayou in New York that’s pretty rare
32:15anymore i recall to the ones that that
32:17had not such a happy ending in japan so
32:19you know we have to realize that there
32:22are vested interests in kind of killing
32:25these stories after while burying them
32:27under and and a lot of people like the
32:29most people it seems in the street think
32:30all the stuff just you know that’s old
32:32news isn’t it
32:33no no going to sell going on so it
32:37really and it’s the other thing to
32:38realize is that for instance in Japan
32:40where they are understandably a little
32:42bit touchy about of about radioactivity
32:45they have actually much stricter laws
32:47and we do about what is allowed in terms
32:50of radio Radio nucleotides in and
32:52whatever in in their foods and they
32:54don’t allow more than like 20 tackles
32:56per kilogram or something like that so
32:58it when the fishermen are fishing off
33:00the coast of Fukushima and a real these
33:02fish in and they’re glowing in the dark
33:05what they can’t sell to their own people
33:07they sell to us because we don’t have
33:08those same limits
33:10on what’s allowed there and one of the
33:13State Department in the inner lasted
33:15administration you know just agreed that
33:17they were not going to limit the
33:18importation of food and goods or
33:20whatever that might be contaminated
33:22because you see that be to economically
33:25so this stuff get ends up in you know in
33:28in the in the fish counters and whatever
33:30else I’m very nervous about seafood i
33:33love it i’m more a little more
33:35comfortable eating if I traveled to the
33:38southern hemisphere and something fresh
33:39caught off the coast of Tasmania or
33:41something like that
33:42Wow but not i don’t know why i have to
33:45tell you I’m i’m really excited that
33:48that we were doing the show because i’m
33:50learning so much just with amazing
33:53guests like yourself and it’s just like
33:55it’s just we get a it gets crazier and
33:57crazier as we do things I’ve done with
33:59it makes me sound you know nuts are
34:01extreme or something but I mean no I you
34:04don’t actually the truth as I’m my own
34:06research and you don’t sound extreme at
34:08all unfortunately right you can’t
34:09realize that the conditions that we know
34:11that we’re living under him in the
34:13marketplace and what it is we’re forced
34:15to accept this quote-unquote food and
34:18yeah so one or 11 people want to get in
34:20touch with you find out more about how
34:22would they do that
34:23well I would directly you’re exempt from
34:26my most current book which you know is
34:28doing extremely well you know right now
34:30you can go to primal fat burner com
34:33I i also have a new educational program
34:36that’s a weekly educational program if
34:39your nutritional therapist you can get
34:40CEU credits actually and it’s it’s
34:43called primal power 52 because for 52
34:46weeks of the year each week of the year
34:48you’re getting that really really good
34:50at a nutritional education in ways that
34:52you’re not probably going to get
34:53anywhere else i also have my other
34:55website primal body hyson primal mine
34:58dot-com and where I have an experienced
35:00fairly extensive blog and a lot of other
35:03information and and some free podcasts
35:05and videos and things like that that you
35:06can peruse so there you are i want to
35:09thank you so much for being on the show
35:10it was incredible that someone would
35:14love to have you back
35:14thank you I’d love to be back thank you
35:16so much you’ve been great
35:18no it’s been great my pleasure this
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