Linda Lagemann, Ph.D.was a clinical psychologist for 23 years and multi-award-winning professor (UCSF). She currently studies trends in psychiatry and psychology and their impact on public health. After observing the mental health field had become dominated by psychiatric labels and drugs that were doing more harm than help, she gave up practicing psychology and moved to DC to work on legislative reforms of the field.

Dr. Lagemann is a frequent guest on radio programs across the country and was featured in the independent film The Big Lie: American Addict 2. She writes about the current state of the mental health field and potential harmful emerging trends to watch out for.

  • 24.7% of the American population is currently on psychiatric medication
  • Psychiatric medications work by shutting off a part of the brain
  • Are ADHD medications actually helping?

Links from today’s show:
Dr. Linda Lagemann Website

Transcript

0:00take back your health now episode 23
0:05you’re listening to the take back your
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0:31holy grail we’re extremely excited to
0:33have dr. Lyndel argument she’s a PhD a
0:37clinical psychologist for 23 years and
0:39multi award-winning professor from ucsf
0:42sheep currently studies trends in
0:44psychiatry and psychology and their
0:47impact on public health after observing
0:49the mental health field had become
0:51dominated by psychiatric labels and
0:53drugs that were doing more harm than
0:54help she gave up practicing psychology
0:57and moved to DC to work on legislative
1:00reforms of the field dr. argument is a
1:03frequent frequent guest on radio
1:05programs across the country and was
1:07featured in the independent film the big
1:10lie American haddock to she writes about
1:13the current state of the mental health
1:14field and potential harmful emerging
1:16trends to watch out for that alignment
1:18with welcome to the show
1:20thank you very much i’m really happy to
1:21be in that conversation and we’re really
1:24excited to have you so let’s just jump
1:25right in still not going what what
1:27actually made like you and your own
1:29private practice for quite some time and
1:31psychology what what made you leave
1:33practice you know there was just
1:36released a tipping point where over
1:38those years I thought more and more
1:41regular people coming in on psychiatric
1:44drugs already and doing worse for it and
1:48it was just the point of the art of my
1:50office was in the financial district in
1:52san francisco and i worked with a lot of
1:55very high-powered people at the top of
1:57their game and to having that no regular
2:02people you know accomplished coming in
2:05on psychiatric medications were thinking
2:09that they need to medicate something and
2:12and
2:13when too many parents telling me that
2:14their child was just labeled with ADHD
2:16and they need to put them on in our
2:18finland they really don’t want to but
2:19they have to because that’s with me
2:22French anyway people were doing worse
2:25and worse and it’s like having another
2:27you know another person in my office
2:28telling me how they couldn’t feel
2:30anything I had this one here’s one of
2:32the things that young father had so much
2:34joins its two little boys and then he
2:37went on an antidepressant and he said he
2:40was just going through the motions like
2:41you play with them but he just wasn’t
2:43even there he didn’t have anything like
2:44that
2:45oh my god yeah so much like he was just
2:48associated from the wii was before
2:50that’s that’s exactly what it was that
2:53made you so you so you’re doing this for
2:5523 years so clearly it must have it
2:58could have been like one situation so
3:00something must have been something you
3:02saw over and over again it just built up
3:03is that is that correct yes it’s built
3:06up and it’s one of those things that I
3:08think this is also the case with the
3:10population at large
3:12this is been a gradual progression of
3:15the taking over of you know people’s
3:18mental emotional and spiritual struggle
3:21this is gradually been taken over by the
3:24psychiatric pharmaceutical industry and
3:27so I think all of us have that struggle
3:31because it wasn’t a dramatic shift where
3:33you know 20 years ago somebody had told
3:36us that today a quarter of the
3:38population beyond a psychiatric drug we
3:41wouldn’t believe that that’s actually a
3:43fact right now is that high
3:45oh my god i didn’t know that yeah that’s
3:48the latest figures that’s from the CDC
3:50the disease control and ims health
3:53that’s like the largest data analytics
3:55of healthcare transaction
3:57yeah 20 thing twenty-five percent of
3:59people are on those meds wholly macro i
4:01actually had no idea I have no idea was
4:03that I yeah it’s actually lifted
4:05technically is 24.7 percent of the
4:08american population is on a psychiatric
4:10medication okay suspect but don’t let me
4:13just just take me back for so when you
4:15first 23 years ago or twenty four years
4:17ago when you you know you’re a young
4:19student or looking to become a
4:21psychologist and somewhere
4:23what are your aspirations what were you
4:24looking for
4:25and-and-and I got howard showed it
4:27turned out but whether a little like
4:29what were you back then
4:31well this is the same i mean i was
4:33looking for the tools to help people
4:35with their their struggles in life that
4:38that’s the bottom let’s just the
4:39simplicity of it like hermione people do
4:42things against their better judgment
4:43that actually constant pain and how to
4:47help them out of that josh Josh sorry
4:51and I obviously jump jump right in and
4:54then tell me what you sent to finish the
4:57thought on on this thing of fun how you
4:59know so right now it is a fact that you
5:01know quarter of the population is on
5:03psychiatric drugs was saying you know 25
5:0620 years ago if we have been told that
5:08would be the case today nobody would
5:09have believed it but because it’s so
5:12outrageous but if you know it just
5:15gradually one person to another person
5:17another person gets put on on drugs
5:21it gets absorbed and it’s like on sit
5:24car and it’s just TV commercials for 18
5:28years have been barking up with you know
5:31everything we experience and suffer from
5:34in life is a pill and its really
5:38embedded in our culture now taken for
5:40granted boiling is like boiling a frog
5:42right let me just start with the waters
5:45just slowly warming up until nobody
5:47realizes what’s going on
5:49so what so what are some of the effects
5:52that these drugs have on our population
5:55well every psychiatric drug is saving
6:00parts of the brain that’s the bottom
6:03line is every psychiatric drug function
6:06by cutting communication in parts of the
6:09brain and the frontal lobe particular
6:14which is where our higher functions are
6:15that’s you know you’re thinking you’re
6:19feeling for others you know your social
6:22connection and then their various worse
6:27you know kind of adverse effects like
6:29say you know the antidepressants because
6:32those and so easy to sell to people it’s
6:37very easy with marketing to make people
6:39think that when they feel down that they
6:43need a pill that is a mental illness to
6:46military solution
6:48yeah and that was the other thing that I
6:52noticed you know when I had a practice
6:53before that what used to what people
6:57used to take and then do to help
7:00themselves you know like exercise like
7:02somewhat depressed truly be single best
7:05treatment is exercise and then unless
7:08you know by study and then after that
7:10you know is volunteering help somebody
7:13else learning something new you know
7:17Wow and nutrition of course but with so
7:21many years of all this advertising of
7:24pills pills pills i remember my practice
7:28and I was dating somebody ok well let’s
7:29go like exercising like people would
7:32actually make an interesting kapil
7:34hahaha oh my god
7:39and I remember when I grow and growing
7:41up in New York City my grandmother god
7:43bless and so I remember she would treat
7:45valium with one of my uncle’s like left
7:48and rights and you wanted that makes you
7:49want about I mean it was like they were
7:51dirty and candy and stuff so I remember
7:53that and complex and they were there a
7:55little wacky so I remember thinking that
7:57can’t be the answer
7:59you know everything’s just didn’t seem
8:01like it was really helping them out
8:02particularly but uh that was so those
8:05days and now it’s the antidepressant and
8:08actually
8:09shockingly the antipsychotics like
8:12vilifies antipsychotic is marketed on TV
8:16to you know add on if your
8:18antidepressants working for you build
8:21one is a different one of the difference
8:22to explain to us the difference between
8:24a the two well different some of the
8:28spring chemical that are called
8:30neurotransmitters that it’s the brain
8:32chemicals that they have the primary
8:34effect on
8:35ok so antidepressant that lets go with
8:40those because those are so common now
8:43and antidepressant effects serotonin I
8:47think people heard that there’s a lot of
8:49things in the media that were put there
8:51to sell these drugs like talking about
8:54you
8:54depression is a problem with serotonin
8:56and those advantage presence there
9:01I don’t know people know that their most
9:03of like I’m Prozac and select the paxil
9:09these are there called of ssris break
9:14the category management vessel which is
9:16the main one and that relating to
9:19serotonin it’s actually selective
9:21serotonin reuptake inhibitor and we have
9:25take meaning you know the absorption in
9:27the system
9:29I mean 200 a blood test that shows that
9:31those levels are low and that’s why they
9:33need that medication others like some
9:37tests show that no there’s not anything
9:39that whole idea that used for marketing
9:42there was a chemical gallop is is
9:45literally just marketing line that never
9:48came out of science never and it was
9:51developed by Pro project by eli lilly
9:54maker Prozac and they are the ones
9:58before releasing prozac they put things
10:01in the media about depression being
10:04caused by chemical imbalance and then
10:08after that got kind of in the media and
10:11related to serotonin and basement then
10:14they release prozac as the answer oh
10:16here’s an antidepressant effects
10:18serotonin shortage was a giant PR
10:22campaign
10:22and then actually had no real backing in
10:25terms of scientific data like if you
10:26have diabetes obviously your glucose ‘as
10:28you know wherever it is you can measure
10:30that I don’t know you’re saying there’s
10:32no such measures like that that is the
10:34key thing so there’s a really
10:36fundamental difference between medical
10:39diagnosis like legislated diabetes and
10:42psychiatric diagnosis medical diagnosis
10:45have a series of tests like objective
10:48medical objective science that can be
10:51applied to know if you have it or don’t
10:53have it
10:54psychiatric diagnosis every single one
10:57of which most people don’t know even
10:59people in the field got mail
11:01those are voted on there’s a group that
11:05the American Psychiatric forms the
11:07workgroups the diagnosis diagnostic
11:09manual and they get together and they
11:12arguing that will include this criteria
11:14with that and they hung on diagnosis and
11:19the other things to know how it even
11:22possible though I mean how you would
11:24think that I don’t that’s amazing I’ve
11:25heard this before it just baffles me
11:28talking about you know many many
11:30millions of people being affected and
11:32you’re talking about something that’s to
11:34some degree you know I he’d say the
11:35skies but disguised as a science so
11:38you’re saying that they do it looks like
11:39boating on i don’t know like let’s vote
11:42gravity didn’t exist or something like
11:44that it right and like when you talk
11:46about exactly the people the last
11:49version of the diagnostic manual the dsl
11:52and diagnostic and statistical manual of
11:54mental disorders that the american
11:56psychiatric association puts out the
11:58most recent version the work group for
12:02mood disorders voted to remove to
12:08basically to include grieving in the
12:13diagnosis for depression so it used to
12:16be that if somebody’s no husband or
12:19child died within the last love you
12:23couldn’t diagnose this depressed because
12:25it was recognized naturally they are
12:26grieving and that’s why you’re there
12:28should be an appetite and that’s why
12:30they don’t be like life is no fun
12:32anymore
12:33but don’t think that would be a natural
12:35human response to losing somebody that
12:38you loved right in it and a necessary
12:40one but they voted to remove what was
12:44called the bereavement exclusion to
12:47diagnose depression so therefore people
12:49child or spouse become just died can now
12:53be diagnosed with major depression the
12:55significance of this is then they get
12:58medicated and just so it’s clear those
13:02people who vote that work group on mood
13:05disorders one hundred percent of them
13:08had direct financial ties with the
13:10pharmaceutical companies that make the
13:12antidepressant so they just brought in
13:15while condition of depression to include
13:19millions more people thus increasing
13:22their profits tremendously so is this
13:25what this is about is the city is a
13:26financial game is it is it that we can
13:29come up with these labels so we can
13:31actually sell more product that means
13:33that really what this is coming down to
13:35totally is this is it’s about money it’s
13:38about control this is there are billions
13:40billions of dollars involved just in the
13:43ADHD ADHD drugs you know the attention
13:45deficit-hyperactivity yes no drugs as a
13:50last 2015 that was thirteen billion
13:55dollars annually in sales and that is
13:58the diner that was me up you know we
14:01made up as well you know i think i think
14:04that you know just something an
14:05observation i had years ago I know that
14:08the United States was rated number one
14:10for for a long time in terms of
14:12Education and the student the level they
14:14were putting out and I saw something a
14:16few months ago where its way down I mean
14:18it’s almost like down at the bottom and
14:19I remember thinking
14:20listen if they found this disease that
14:23was really stopping people from being in
14:26able to learn things and all that kind
14:28of think once they found that they had a
14:30solution that you would think that
14:31actually the scores would go through the
14:33roof and yet it seems like you went to
14:36the bottom so that that always bothered
14:38me was like we have to say about that
14:40wow that’s it i’m going to grab that
14:42actually that and the ADHD drug they do
14:47quiet kids down they sedate them it’s
14:51basically kind of stock on taneous
14:53behaviors that kind of takes the life
14:55out of kids if you talk to kids walk
14:57they don’t like it at all
14:58it it makes them feel dead but it does
15:02not increase their on test scores
15:06there was a huge study done in Canada it
15:08was over an eight-year period time it
15:11was either eight years with 11,000 kids
15:13or with three of my orders 11 years with
15:15a thousand gets that huge study
15:17long-term and they to their surprise
15:20they found that the cues on ADHD drugs
15:23actually had higher dropout rates lower
15:26math scores and more depression those
15:28are the only three things
15:29those were the three markers that were
15:31looking at and it was a really good
15:33study because it was kind of
15:35naturalistic one whole region management
15:38which we call them in Canada but like
15:41one area that had approved ADHD drugs
15:44for in the social medicine system and
15:48the other that did not show the actives
15:49were equally diagnosed ADHD but some got
15:52medicated in one region in the region
15:55there’s no medication and so they
15:56compared them that’s how they go out
15:59Wow now I can see from a a teacher’s
16:02perspective the child quieting down for
16:04the day they had maybe you know they
16:06could get on with whatever they were
16:08trying to get on with but from the
16:09students perspective 24 what you’re
16:13saying I mean why would you put your
16:15children on those kind of things and
16:16thats really not something that sounds
16:19like it’s helping what so how does this
16:20work out
16:21explain to me here’s what I don’t
16:22understand to couple of things so once I
16:24mean I’ve had people say to me because
16:26I’ve seen even in my own practice when
16:28years ago I i sent the patient who was
16:31troubled to a psychiatrist and six
16:34months later this woman was ahead
16:36executive very sweet lady really out for
16:40the great friendship with her and she
16:41came to me and said hey then you know
16:43i’m having some problems you know
16:45anybody and I said you know there’s this
16:47is in princeton center to a psychiatrist
16:49and six months later she came into my
16:51office she was
16:52twitching and and almost curled up in a
16:54ball i mean i was totally a different
16:56person to the point i honestly that I
16:58got so upset about it i called the
17:00psychiatrist myself from the office with
17:02her there
17:03ok I actually called him and I said it
17:05was I’ve got this patient is your
17:06patience and I’m observing a complete
17:08deterioration
17:09I mean she is just curled up in a ball
17:11and I swear to god he sees that she’s
17:14like Dom DeLuise now Dom DeLuise was
17:16this sort of like communion and it was
17:19so shocking to me that I stop until it
17:23was my first experience I was young and
17:25in practice and I she ended up
17:27committing suicide actually one day
17:29after that and it’s something that I’ve
17:32always had some sort of guilt for you
17:34notice so what
17:36tell me about like how how why is that
17:39why you hear about all these suicides
17:41hear about all this kind of stuff one
17:43why is this oh well anyway just
17:45described it’s really that is really
17:48fast that’s also it’s not uncommon
17:52so the antidepressant sounds like she
17:56was put on what they do is they cause
18:01they’re affecting the level of serotonin
18:04artificially they make it seem like
18:07there’s an extra serotonin and so the
18:10brain tries to adapt and it starts to
18:14shut down it recognizes oh wow that are
18:17certain is not being reabsorbed the
18:19resident selective serotonin reuptake
18:21inhibitor so I didn’t hit the
18:23reabsorption but it’s sarah tonen
18:25floating around its not being Lord and
18:28magically just just stop for one second
18:30let me just as you want to do when I
18:32tell this to people because I’ve noticed
18:34this over the years they say and this is
18:36what I’ve gotten back not so much on the
18:37long-term but on people that are on a
18:38short-term they say that for the first
18:40few weeks they have seen people do
18:42better
18:43is that why because the the serotonin
18:44levels actually jump because of that is
18:47that that there’s a with those truck
18:50there’s an activation of parts that
18:53happens like now some people that
18:55activation is one of the adverse effect
18:59is they feel really uncomfortable and
19:06be you know so there’s better is an
19:09activation like that can happen
19:11temporary those locations so the first
19:15couple weeks maybe their personal feels
19:17more energy or activation the best I can
19:20describe it and then right then the
19:23bring tries to adapt and get its normal
19:27back and it says whoa we have so much
19:29serotonin this isn’t normal
19:31that shut down our own production of
19:35serotonin so it starts shutting down
19:38increasing production of that
19:41neurotransmitter oh my god wow wow
19:45person feel worse and then they go back
19:48to the doc is the romantic dress isn’t
19:50working anymore and the doctors ok take
19:52more or take another one will add
19:54another pill and then the brain does the
19:58same thing it says oh wow we have to
20:00readjust now will close off more
20:02production or if it gets bad enough and
20:05the brain will say let you know what we
20:08don’t need all these receptor sites
20:10because we’ve got too much serotonin
20:12let’s shut down some of the receptor
20:16sites and no atrophy receptor sites in
20:18the rain and there’s all this then more
20:22drugs different drugs and then the
20:25person they try to come off of them this
20:27is why people have such a hard time
20:28coming off advantage of preference and
20:31then because when they start company now
20:34they actually have a chemical imbalance
20:36that was created by the drug and they
20:40don’t have the natural with their body
20:42used to produce the brain used to
20:44produce and they feel what they feel
20:46profoundly depressed now what happens in
20:50the current system is they get old Oh
20:52see you if you’re just so this is
20:55genetic or just one of those people it’s
20:56chronic depression you need to stay only
20:58as discussed the rest of your life but
21:00that’s not the case is drug caused the
21:03chemical imbalance and needs way more
21:06gradual tapering off than any doc
21:09recommends in order for this menu you
21:12about you know you’re blowing me where
21:13I’m going to tell you a quick story
21:14location adaptation she came in with the
21:17plantar fasciitis which is basically
21:19and heel pain and she had been put on
21:21these medicines actually psychiatric
21:23medicine is about three years early for
21:25her foot thing okay for her footing so
21:28she came in and it was clearly what’s
21:31called plantar fasciitis or inflammation
21:32of the tendon we sealed it on with
21:35cortisone injections orthotic and within
21:37weeks it was gone and she was completely
21:40out of foot pain completely out of
21:41flipping and i wrote a note to her
21:43doctors that said it wasn’t you know
21:45she’s out of 14 she actually doesn’t
21:47need those medicines and what came back
21:49to me is listen she cannot ever come off
21:51of those or the the consequences could
21:54be that she dies and i didn’t understand
21:56i’m like wait a second why would you put
21:58somebody on something for a foot pain
22:00that potentially could kill me i didn’t
22:02even understand how it could because I
22:03just thought you know what you’re taking
22:05an aspirin like just stop taking the
22:07aspirin but what you’re saying to me as
22:09they created with the situation of
22:11chronic condition where the receptors
22:13are gone are these receptors gone
22:15forever or they come back or what’s the
22:17when they come back
22:19the other big studies on that you know
22:21some studies say that over time that the
22:25rain will heal and it can come back and
22:27then others say that it’s permanent so
22:29it’s been mixed things on that I
22:31wouldn’t message though I’m been back to
22:34this suicide you know because when
22:37somebody tries to come off and get like
22:39profoundly worse that’s often a time
22:42where people kill themselves or get
22:43violence
22:44the other thing is the drugs even
22:47staying on it there’s only adverse
22:50effects and the person is disconnected
22:52from loved ones
22:53it’s like it cut people off from their
22:56their connection with the world and
22:59their own self and so they don’t care
23:01anymore about themselves or others and
23:04that’s where you can get suicide like
23:05the first woman that you mentioned and
23:08that is like wow rise in suicides are
23:11suicide rate is going up and up and up
23:13it and so is our own ssis social
23:17security disability for mental illness
23:19and you know kind of the point you made
23:22earlier like yeah if we have found the
23:24cure for these things we should be the
23:25happiest healthiest country around
23:27because we are done
23:28only the most dedicated country in the
23:31world and we are not we have like
23:33climbing disabilities mental illness
23:36disability rates the parallel grass
23:39decline in this like Petra medications
23:42on the market unless you can see it
23:44sometimes just walking in the street
23:46I mean you just see you know there may
23:48be other factors the economy all those
23:49kind of things we’ve seen in people’s
23:51faces they don’t there’s just a it just
23:54seems like an overall the depression or
23:57something about about them and stuff so
23:59on but when you’re looking at depression
24:02itself like what was let’s put the
24:05medicines to the side is it a chronic
24:07condition overall is it like is it
24:10something like that without the medicine
24:12how is that was that is going to and so
24:15depression actually Psychiatric Journal
24:17back in the forties and fifties I have a
24:22whole paper about this back in the
24:24forties fifties Psychiatric Journal
24:26talked about depression as something
24:29that got better by itself it doesn’t
24:31really add any treatment is people got
24:33to press but then it sort of self
24:35corrected then this is America’s and
24:38their own journals they’re under their
24:39own journal then there was the you know
24:42antidepressants the first kind of
24:44antidepressants we’re going to come on
24:46the market and the head of the national
24:48student mental health of the time said
24:50well we know that depression gets better
24:53by itself but maybe the antidepressants
24:56will shorten the duration of the episode
24:58and so that was the hope and
25:01antidepressants short-term the episode
25:03then they started you know using
25:06antidepressants and there were articles
25:08some psychiatrist started printing
25:11articles like a study thing hey I think
25:14this made the personal work because when
25:15i took him off of the medication they
25:18got worse and there were a number of
25:20articles like that in the you know 50 60
25:23or so reading and then they’re starting
25:28articles with people you know putting
25:30out the hypothesis that the
25:32antidepressants were causing a chronic
25:34condition actually wrote about this and
25:37then gets like the nineties and all of a
25:40sudden
25:41in the journal depression is referred to
25:43as like a matter of fact as a chronic
25:46condition it didn’t you wow wow yeah
25:50antidepressant-like I think 10-percent
25:54populations on an antidepressant now you
25:58know quarter of the population is on a
25:59psychiatric drugs but i think it’s ten
26:01percent on an antidepressant and then I
26:04was one of the most powerful podcast i
26:06think i’ve ever done because it’s so I
26:09mean it’s just so shocking so goes to
26:12the core of you know what what we’ve
26:14been told and it’s just it’s almost like
26:16I’m sitting here going wow I you know I
26:19mean I’ve obviously I’ve studied these
26:21things over the years and I’ve looked
26:23and I’ve had some understanding of and
26:25like i said i’ve had my own interactions
26:28where we referred patients and things
26:30didn’t make sense and i I’ve pulled away
26:32from that by a long shot but i didn’t i
26:34didn’t realize the depth of it I didn’t
26:37I absolutely did not realize that these
26:39things were creating a chronic situation
26:41I thought that yeah maybe they’re making
26:42people’s but if they came off of it you
26:45know that that there would be some
26:46ability to you know and those you want
26:49creates this like giving you a diabetic
26:51medicine that if you’re not diabetic is
26:52going to make you diabetic rats are
26:54horrible and I want to make sure just
26:59because I’m talking about things like
27:01that they vote on the diagnosis not like
27:02you want to make sure that people that
27:05I’m not misinterpreted that people who
27:08have very real struggles very real
27:10mental emotional spiritual struggles and
27:13there are you know kids that are a very
27:17hyper and no maybe much more so than you
27:21know then the average range the key
27:24point though is that these are not
27:27medical conditions and drugging them
27:30doesn’t help you know like with kids you
27:33could give him heroin and it would also
27:34quiet them down but they’re not going to
27:36learn anything you don’t control of
27:39yourself and learn
27:41um the other thing is we are so much
27:45more able and all of this you know 18
27:48years of direct-to-consumer advertising
27:50has made us think like we’ve been driven
27:53down
27:54and told that everything is out of our
27:55control is chemical is genetic
27:58you know years you have no power over
28:00this you have to get a pill and the fact
28:03is we are so much more able and that’s
28:07what actually the placebo effect you
28:09know when somebody takes the sugar
28:10pillow made me feel better
28:13tracks going on actually that’s part of
28:15the reason to when sometimes people say
28:16no my antidepressant really helps me
28:18it’s like I don’t doubt them because
28:20seventy percent of people taking a sugar
28:23pill will report the same thing with the
28:25same conviction like they will feel
28:28better and that’s where we get to the
28:31heart of things of you know our health
28:33and even taking back our health which is
28:36our own control over our condition you
28:39know when a sugar pill of people work
28:42what’s actually happening what’s
28:44happening is the person made a decision
28:46that they were going to you know be less
28:49anxious be less depressed be able to sit
28:52and study and focus and they made that
28:54be true
28:56we made it happen wow you know our old
28:59podcast is in search of else
29:01holy grill and this concept of some of
29:05the experts that I have many of the
29:06experts on almost all of them have sort
29:09of come to the same conclusion that you
29:11know a lot of his viewpoint and its
29:13persistence and it’s just really
29:15searching out some of the more natural
29:17remedies if you would if I were to ask
29:19you and that maybe didn’t answer this
29:21but will it we were in search of
29:23Health’s holy grail what in this area
29:25would you say is the holy grail of
29:28health
29:29well somebody taking their own
29:31responsibility for their condition and
29:34when somebody takes responsibility like
29:37okay I’m feeling depressed it’s not
29:40chemicals it’s not outside of me and
29:42what do i do better getting action
29:44better exercise that better
29:45like maybe if i get my mind off my own
29:47self and go help somebody else that’s
29:49always feel better when you help
29:51somebody
29:51well then control is our own
29:55responsibility and control and our own
29:57ability our own ability even if we get
30:00knocked off you know balance with
30:02something we get depressed or anxious we
30:05have the ability to get it back on
30:08track our own powerful powerful and let
30:11me just one last question so what about
30:13let’s say our children so we have a
30:15child that lets say the teacher comes to
30:17us and says hey this kid has ADHD or
30:20hyper so how do we from your viewpoint
30:23now how do we handle this awareness
30:28I mean we’ve got like we’re looking at
30:30this billion-dollar industry like i
30:31mentioned the ADHD drugs 13 billion
30:33dollars annually
30:34you know you gotta look who’s getting
30:35rich is getting hurt and it’s going to
30:38be grassroots awareness you know when
30:42when people Karen’s have true
30:43information it naturally leads to not
30:47being consumers of that kind of thing so
30:49I’m with the school saying that they’ve
30:52been bombarded by you know little
30:55education seminars to identify ADHD but
30:59they do not know what they’re talking
31:01about i can tell you multiple examples
31:03but had a parent’s showing me the
31:05teacher said their kid at aec because
31:07they weren’t paying attention and
31:09they’re pressuring the parents put their
31:11kid on a stimulant which is these
31:13randstad means basically but in three of
31:17these situations the child turned out to
31:19be having seizures where they call my
31:22cock
31:22yeah right so everybody now because of
31:26all of the psychiatric lingo that we’re
31:28bombarded with everybody thinks they’re
31:31a diagnostician and it’s all you have to
31:33identify you just look and see other
31:35kids not paying attention obviously
31:36that’s HP 40 kids hyper obviously they
31:39see no intention can be from so many
31:43things including seizures hyperactivity
31:46so many things including like playground
31:48concussions can sleep deprivation iron
31:50deficiency nutritional no allergy all
31:54kinds of things
31:55no sure sure well in this was an
31:58incredibly incredibly powerful by guest
32:01listen and people want to find out more
32:02about you get touching how would they do
32:04that
32:05well my website is dr. logmein.com is
32:09some dr la de ma and and dot com and
32:14i’ve got my contact info there i’m
32:15always happy to be in touch with people
32:17so yeah
32:21dr. environment thank you so much for
32:23joining us greatly greatly appreciated
32:25thank you
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